#0145 | fearful threats and hate

Bravo!!!

Brilliantly stated!

Yeah, vote for Obama if you love giving up rights and socialism where the government takes all your money and gives it to people who don’t deserve it. So I guess if you hate America, vote for Obama.

How much longer can America be the most ignorant, racist, and repressed “world power”? YES!! Vote for Obama!

I submit to you that a racist is one who votes for Obama for no other reason other than he is black. That is every bit as bad as one who doesn’t vote for him for the same reason. A candidate’s race or sex should have nothing to do with whether they will be a good President or not. Unfortunately, anyone who says they are not voting for Obama is labeled as a racist, whether they really are or not. Such a shame, but that is the evil of the world we live in. I believe that there are still people who can judge others by the content of their hearts, not the color of their skin, but it won’t matter to the real racists. They hate anyone who doesn’t agree with them.

How much longer can America be the most ignorant, racist, and repressed “world power”? YES!! Vote for Obama!

Come on, Aaron! How can you make such an ignorant statement? Repressed? You haven’t traveled much my friend. Ignorant? Then tell me, why do people come here to seek their fortunes, and not elsewhere? You sound like an angry person who has forgotten how to be grateful for where they live!

I got here by the way of Stumble.. I am a black female that is voting for Obama. I am not voting for him because he is black. I am about so tired of people saying that is the main reason I am voting for him. In which it is not the case. I have and always have believe in the Democratic Views. I was going along with Hilary in the beginning. Once I got to hear Obama and understand his platform. I leaned more to him. I don’t think a persons race, gender, or religion should be the case in voting or not voting. It is how well this person can lead the country. I tell you between McCain and Obama, I think Obama will be the better President. Our country is suffering right now, we need a leader who can mend us back.

Obama is a traitor, a race baiter, an elitist and a marxist. That’s just what this country needs. People, just look at Europe’s “free” healthcare, it’s crap. Canada’s healthcare, crap. I figure when there’s almost 400 million folks in the states, and only 42 million don’t have insurance, that’s not that bad. Even if you don’t have insurance you have to be treated. I’ve only been insured the last two years so I know all too well.
Uphold our constitution! No where does it state that we have a right to a job, healthcare, education or any of that. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. All else can fall in line with that if you want it bad enough.
And I’m not a republican.

Stevo, as a Canadian, let me tell you our healthcare system is not ‘crap’. Yes, it has many flaws, but I wouldn’t give it up for an American system, and a huge majority of Canadians would agree with me there. That’s despite the fact that I would definitely be one of the people who had insurance if I worked in the US. There’s no substitute for never having to worry about being bankrupted by an unexpected illness. Or worrying that your HMO is going to find an excuse to not pay for that illness…

As for your other comments, you’d have to be a moron to consider Obama a marxist, race baiter or a traitor. As for elitist, who do you want running your country? The elite, or your moron next door neighbour? Do you go to your moron neighbour to fix your car, or an ‘elitist’ professionally trained mechanic?

Greg, you had a great argument going until you started name-calling. Can’t you just stick to facts and stay away from rudeness? I know plenty of Canadians who dislike their health-care system, so I guess you hang with a different crowd.

This country was founded, like it or not, by people who were trying to move away from ideals and beliefs that their country as a whole did not hold. America as it is today was founded by people that spoke their opinions and strived for something better for their loved ones. While England/Europe as a whole has seemingly progressed in human nature America seems to have regressed. That is why I am voting for Obama. He at least has human decency and supports peoples CHOICE in matters and as far as I can tell is much more for democracy as it was intended than McPalin. When I really think about it, it’s sad that people are so blinded by money etc. to even remember what they learned in school. This country was founded by and flourished in it’s infancy by “liberals” and has continually gone down the tubes do to greed. It’s pathetic!

Obama = Socialism, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

You can put lipstick on Socialism, but it’s still Socialism.

Well…where do I start?

“Stevo, as a Canadian, let me tell you our healthcare system is not ‘crap’. Yes, it has many flaws, but I wouldn’t give it up for an American system, and a huge majority of Canadians would agree with me there.”

Clearly, you don’t need to give up your system since many Canadians in need of immediate, high-quality care simply venture across the border and obtain it in the US as it is often unavailable or unaffordable in Canada. Most Americans are quite happy with their system as well, although they see room for improvement that doesn’t necessarily involve nationalizing. Most Americans have insurance, for your information, and those who don’t are likely not working or don’t choose to pay for insurance (i.e. very young people). There’s a novel idea: If you earn and produce, you can buy health insurance.

“That’s despite the fact that I would definitely be one of the people who had insurance if I worked in the US.”

The vast majority of people who work in the US are the beneficiary of “insurance” through their employer. What’s your point?

“There’s no substitute for never having to worry about being bankrupted by an unexpected illness. Or worrying that your HMO is going to find an excuse to not pay for that illness…”

Very few sane people walk around worrying about being bankrupted by an unexpected illness…at least not conservatives. While a possibility, one is probably more likely to be hit by lightning than of contracting an illness that results in “bankruptcy”. Perhaps paranoia is another benefit of the Canadian system of government and nationalized health care?

“As for your other comments, you’d have to be a moron to consider Obama a marxist, race baiter or a traitor.”

Obama is not a Marxist; more of an over-hyped product. Read last summer’s New Yorker magazine expose on Obama (The New Yorker is a totally left/liberal publication) and I think you’ll see that Obama is just a very proficient politician. Hardly anything “new”, not a “change” and nothing to “hope” for. He’s not as clever as you seem to think he is. His world view is typically liberal in that his solutions are more likely to involve government as the source of all benefit and answers. I can show you plenty of examples of Obama behaving in the manner of a typical liberal/leftist. He Portrays himself as a tolerant, diversity-embracing, free speech champion while being the first to gay/race/gender bait and advocate suppression of views not in accord with his ideology. Would you like me to post a few examples? Given his propensity to spend time with people like William Ayers, I think you’d be safe to say that Obama isn’t real bright about the people he chooses to say he doesn’t know. Rezko, Wright, Pleger (sp?), Khalidi (sp?), Dorn??? What “moron” would sit in the same room as these people? Obama. At least Stevo didn’t call you a moron, which you were willing to do to him. Is that your tolerance showing?

“As for elitist, who do you want running your country? The elite, or your moron next door neighbour? Do you go to your moron neighbour to fix your car, or an ‘elitist’ professionally trained mechanic?”

Here you prove my previous point. More name calling and “tolerance”. Would you like to call Stevo a “homo” or “redneck” while you’re at it? Perhaps you could throw out a few leftist cliches like “Bush lied, people died” or “No blood for oil”. “Elitist”, while descriptive and possibly accurate, is not a pejorative. I would not equate a professional with an elitist. You have curious ways of defining terms, Greg.

I’m tired, sick and am going to bed.

@Nikki

“This country was founded, like it or not, by people who were trying to move away from ideals and beliefs that their country as a whole did not hold. ”

Uh…I think America was “founded” because the colonists didn’t like being taxed and regulated to death. Could you point me at the history book you read?

“America as it is today was founded by people that spoke their opinions and strived for something better for their loved ones. ”

No significant argument here.

“While England/Europe as a whole has seemingly progressed in human nature America seems to have regressed.”

Really? What a limp, bland, meaningless statement. Where can I go to get some of this “England/Europe” enlightenment? America is the most advanced, tolerant, “free” nation on earth. It is an internet with borders and a constitution. Where else can one find the range of cultures, choice and opportunity that America offers? Where has America taken a back seat to “England/Europe” in these respects? In fact, where is England’s constitution?? Oh, that’s right…THEY HAVEN’T GOT ONE!!

“That is why I am voting for Obama. He at least has human decency and supports peoples CHOICE in matters and as far as I can tell is much more for democracy as it was intended than McPalin. ”

That was a close call. I almost voted for John McCain, but now that I know he has no human decency and is not for democracy, I’ve reconsidered. I’m so speechless right now… Nikki, please read what you wrote and think about what it means. Do you really believe this?!? Oh, and very clever of you to use the “McPalin” thing. Very original. Good thing liberals only see conservatives using the low road…

“When I really think about it, it’s sad that people are so blinded by money etc. to even remember what they learned in school. This country was founded by and flourished in it’s infancy by “liberals” and has continually gone down the tubes do to greed. It’s pathetic!”

Uh…I…You…you’re… Nevermind. Just one thing. You may not have learned THIS in school: it’s “due” not “do”.

Obamaphants!

Here’s your big chance.
Ready?
Name 2 legislative accomplishments of B. Hussein Obama.

Okay, now for the democrat reaction of yelling & flailing your arms.
But you still don’t have an answer.

Being a European myself who moved to the States at age 10 I find the American health care system sad. Very very sad. In fact, every time I visit my family in Russia I make it a point to visit the doctor. That’s right – Russia (!) has better and cheaper health care than I can get here. Being that we like to call America the greatest country in the world I find the present state of things dismal. Also, I know plenty of Americans who go up to Canada quite regularly to see the doctor, because guess what – their health care is better and cheaper than what they can get in the States. Conversely, I don’t know any Canadians who go south for the health care.

Who here doesn’t drive on public roads or send their children to public schools? We have plenty of socialist things about this country that all you socialist haters love, and yet, when it comes to that most basic of human needs – health – you scoff at getting good health care from your government. If you truly think socialist ideals are too good for you – be my guest and free up the 5pm traffic jam by taking toll roads and send your kids to pricey private schools. After all, it’s the truly capitalist thing to do.

And lastly, you have to be out of your mind to consider Obama a socialist, a Marxist or a communist. That or a complete douchebag.

Alex, an interesting argument…..right up until you started the name calling. Why must you do that? Can’t your argument stand on it’s own two feet without resorting to personal attack? I guess not.

I guess you hang with a much different crowd. I have NEVER met anyone who went to Canada because they could better health care there! What’s next, are you going to claim that people go to Mexico or Cuba for the same thing? Give me facts, not just claims. Prove what you say.

I know a family who just came back from Russia, after trying to live there a second time. Russia is in serious trouble, very corrupt, still very socialist (although they are pretending to be Capitalistic), and to claim that their health care is better than here without any proof is nothing more than that. An unsubstantiated claim. Just ask yourself: “On average, do more people move from here to Europe and Asia, or from there to here?” Figure it out yourself.

Alex, maybe you should return to Europe if you think it’s so much better there? Why do you stay in such a terrible country as this?

@Rich

Well said. I used way too many words.

@Alex

“Our interstate highways and bridge infrastructure IS in serious need of upgrade.”

Should be:

Our interstate highways and bridge infrastructure ARE in serious need of upgrade.

I should proof my comments…my apologies.

34 million blacks in america clame their mistreated and are treated unfarely.. i bet there are millions of sub- saharan africans that would love to trade places with them.. Face it Obama is no more than a raciest black with a unjustified chip on his wee shoulders….

Folks we need to declare war on “liberal terrorism”, the American left and Barack Hussein Obama is unraveling the very fabric of this great nation. Their agenda, is brain beating of your children, taking away your right to own guns, taking away private property, encouraging deviant sexual behavior, favoring plants and animals over human beings, and greatly expanding the rights’ to kill the unborn. When are we going to stand together you and me your friends , all Americans that help build this great country, Are we going to stand by and let this wonderful country turn into a sass pool of immorality and socialism..”For GOD sake wake up, do not vote for Obama, if you do you can kiss good old America good bye…

It’s sad – every time you admit to being an immigrant and criticize America in the slightest some jerk is going to go – well go back to where you came from. Most of the people who live here are immigrants! Get off your high horse. Healthy criticism is what makes this country better. If everything was perfect we wouldn’t be talking about it.

I never claimed that Russia was perfect and not corrupt in its own way. I just prefer its health care system and the rest of Europe’s to ours. Being that we’re a great country in other ways, that is sad to me. We can and will do better for our citizens under Obama.

You say I need to prove that the health care is better in Europe – I just did. I just told you I go to Europe to visit a doctor instead of using my crappy kaiser alternative here. America is not even close to being the most advanced nation in these times – those days are long gone and if you ever want to see them return vote for Obama.

I have a very low opinion of McCain supporters because I truly feel that if by some crazy slight chance he wins, we’re all going to be in very serious trouble. Face it – his policies are antiquated like himself.

And as to the above comment – it’s low to use his middle name to try and place fear into people. Being afraid of the unknown leads to bigotry. But then bigotry is what I’ve come to expect from the McCain/Palin ticket.

@ diadhuit

You sound just as scared as McCain/Palin. Sad.

Alex, first off, you went back to name-calling, calling me a jerk. I can deal with that, remarks from pin-heads don’t bother me a bit. Second, I didn’t tell you to go back where you came from. I asked why you didn’t if you don’t like it here. You are right, we are all immigrants in one way or another, but as where I was taught that America is a “melting pot” of cultures, you have been taught to celebrate diversity and demand something different. Finally, it’s low to call someone by his name? Are you for real? You may be a fine person, but you really make some ignorant statements!

@ Rich

You can call anyone by their name BUT when has ANYONE EVER called a presidential candidate by their first, middle and last if they did not usually go by all three? IMO it’s a pathetic attempt on Obama haters parts to try to instill fear in people who are too dumb to realize for themselves that his middle name means just as little as anyone elses. Silly scared republicans, LOL.

What do you mean “usually”? There was a time when Presidents were routinely called by all 3 names or all 3 initials. Frankly, I could care less what you want to call your candidate. He seems to change it to suit him anyway. In school in Indonesia, he was enrolled as Barry Sotero. You need to be honest with yourself, Nikki, you just don’t want Obama’s middle name mentioned because it’s got a negative connotation to many Americans. You silly, scared Democrats! LOL

I mean if they do not formally use all three. I think I made that quite clear. The only reason republicans use it is because of the “negative” connotation. Why don’t you be honest with yourself and everyone else?

Rich, no one buys that you just happened to use Obama’s middle name randomly. How could we miss the massive (and really stupid) movement to try and use his middle name to invoke fear in ignorant people that he’s somehow related to terrorists? Oh, was that just a coincidence? Those who have been doing the same things you’re doing now have proven to be fear-mongering and bigoted. So if you want people to stop calling you names, maybe you should stop doing such horrible things.

Diadhuit, you make me so, so fearful for our country. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such unsubstantiated, dangerous, and radical opinions in one place – except for in Palin fans.

Obama has been winning and everywhere I go, I see Obama signs and bumper stickers…less so with McCain. It seems like all of his supporters lately have come out fearfully all over the internet – as if you’re all ashamed to show your pride for your candidate when you’re not behind the protective anonymity of the internet. It’s because even you know it’s a stupid, embarrassing mistake to vote for McCain (and especially Palin! are you kidding?) when we have the most world-class, inspiring and amazing leader in front of us in Barack Obama.

One more thing: a lot of McCain voters seem to take large issue with what Obama is going to do with their money.

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127

Seems they didn’t really listen to what the actual economists had to say.

These are the reasons people are voting for Obama. No one sees through your fearful name-calling (socialist? you’ve got to be fucking kidding me). We’re voting for Obama because we can trust him with our future.

It’s sad that when you hold a political view you are labeled a traitor. It’s also sad that people believe in talking points that are without merit. The terms socialist, leftist, Muslim, traitor and unAmerican have all become en vogue as ways to slander Obama and the Democratic Party. Meanwhile Bush got us to where we are today, a bankrupt treasury, hostility for all Americans around the world, a war that has taken the lives of 4000 Americans as well as hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, lies to cover up personal gain, and a thwarting of our judicial system. So it has become justified somehow to call opposition to these things unAmerican. In a nation founded on religious freedom and separation of church and state, it’s even become a defamation to claim that somebody is Muslim. Where is the justice in this? Are we to start deciding which religions should be protected under our Constitution? What makes us better, if we do this, than Stalin’s Russia, Hitler’s Germany or Hussein’s Iraq? It’s okay not to like Obama. He’s not perfect. But it’s problematic for all of society to throw around the word antiAmerican or traitor. Defamation of character is not an argument; it’s a cheap shot. And that, according to we who have fathers from the WWII generation, is very unAmerican.

Yes Vic, I do agree with you. I’ve been called a jerk today, just because of my views. I’ve called no one a traitor, I’ve not even used Obama’s middle name, but have somehow been blamed for that as well. I think that most everyone has become intolerant of other’s opinions. Vic, if you think George Bush has gotten us to where we are today, you must think we live in a dictatorship, because you seem to have conveniently forgotten to also blame our 435 Congresspeople, 100 Senators and 9 Supreme Court Justices. Do you have any idea how we got into the financial mess we’re in, or are you happy to just sit in your house and blame George Bush? Do you even have any idea how things get done in Washington? Our entire political system has let us down, and it just may take an inexperienced junior Senator who is already a millionaire to straighten it out? Who knows? I do hope you’re right, because I don’t want anyone, not Obama, not McCain, to fail.

patriotic poetry!

It’s starting to get fun living in the USA again! We can open the blinds again – in three days!

@John

Did you actually READ the article you posted? It would seem to me that you took the ball and ran all the way down the road without reading or at least thinking about what was in that article.

Here are some interesting excerpts from the URL John posted for those who care to know what was actually in it:

“Our survey is not, by any means, a scientific poll of all economists.”
Hmmm. That might matter.

“We e-mailed a questionnaire to 683 research associates, all we could track down, of the National Bureau of Economic Research, America’s premier association of applied academic economists…” “A total of 142 responded…”
Hmmm. That might be significant. Did an economist respond? A research assistant? The janitor?

“…46% identified themselves as Democrats, 10% as Republicans and 44% as neither. This skewed party breakdown may reflect academia’s Democratic tilt, or possibly Democrats’ greater propensity to respond.”
That seems like it will result in useful data, don’t you?

“…the McCain campaign should be buoyed by the fact that 530 economists have signed a statement endorsing his plans.”
Well! Let’s not discuss that. Let’s talk about the 21% of research associates at the NBER. That will be sound journalism.

“…economists may not have the same priorities as the population at large.”
Do ya think?!?!

“Mr. McCain’s lower grade may in part reflect greater candour about his weaknesses. Mr Obama’s more tightly managed image leaves fewer opportunities for such unvarnished introspection.”
Ouch. McCain honest; Obama scripted. That’s what I want. Veneer and superficiality, not candor.

“A candidate’s economic expertise may matter rather less if he surrounds himself with clever advisers. Unfortunately for Mr McCain, 81% of all respondents reckon Mr Obama is more likely to do that; among unaffiliated respondents, 71% say so. That is despite praise across party lines for the excellent Doug Holtz-Eakin, Mr McCain’s most prominent economic adviser and a former head of the Congressional Budget Office.”
Let me get this straight. A small minority of unscientifically polled research associates skewed to the democrat party think Barack Obama is more likely to surround himself with clever advisers (sic) without telling anyone HOW they came to that decision while John McCain’s proposals are endorsed by signature by 530 economists and one of the most respected Directors of the CBO and you think that means Obama’s plans are best? Are YOU FN kidding ME, John?!! Are you serious right now?

“There is an apparent contradiction between most economists’ support for free trade, low taxes and less intervention in the market and the low marks many give to Mr McCain, who is generally more supportive of those things than Mr Obama.”

Well go figure. The democrats are inconsistent in their politics versus what they know constitutes sound economic theory. Say it isn’t so, Joe. Say it isn’t so…

This is hardly a ringing endorsement of Obama’s economic agenda, John. In fact, it’s my understanding that Obama is so ill informed on economic theory, he employs an army of advisors to help him understand what is happening in the world. Let’s hope that they are as “clever” as you think they are. Better yet, why not just vote for McCain and then you don’t need to worry about whether the person you voted for is really what he claimed to be and not a sanitized, manufactured product or closely guarded image compliments of the democrat party.

On your earlier post:

“Obama has been winning and everywhere I go, I see Obama signs and bumper stickers…less so with McCain.”

Were you paying attention to Obama’s string of primary losses at the close of the campaign? I would have expected that Obama would have a 30 or 40 point lead in the polls based on the coverage he gets from his pals in the media. I’m sure that they all have chills running up and down their legs at the thought of an Obama/Biden win. Given Obama’s ability to raise, what?, 500 or 600 million dollars in undocumented contributions in violation of his pledge to take federal campaign funds (which McCain did) he will likely not only be the first black president but the first black man to buy the presidency.

“It seems like all of his supporters lately have come out fearfully all over the internet – as if you’re all ashamed to show your pride for your candidate when you’re not behind the protective anonymity of the internet.”

I’m not sure what to make of this statement, John. How could you possibly know anything about the extent of my or anyone’s support for McCain/Palin? We’re having a discussion here, yes, over the internet. What would you like us to do? Have a duel with swords to prove how much we support our candidate? I’ve watched this election fairly closely and I’ve never seen such hatred, anger, venom, filth and lies directed at presidential candidates on both sides. The stuff is breathtaking. Believe me, the left has nothing to be proud of in terms of the levels to which they have stooped while hiding “behind the protective anonymity (sic) of the internet.”

“It’s because even you know it’s a stupid, embarrassing mistake to vote for McCain (and especially Palin! are you kidding?) when we have the most world-class, inspiring and amazing leader in front of us in Barack Obama.”

Riiiiight. Joe Biden. Are YOU kidding me?!? This man is preternaturally stupid, to quote Charles Krauthammer. An absolute, thorough-going, certified buffoon. Barack Obama? Oh dear. A first term Senator with no knowledge of the working world, no legislative record, a history of associations with thugs, felons and political machine operatives and bags of money from every lobbying group from telecomm to Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. And you think this is “change you can believe in” You really have drunk long and deep at the democrat kool-aid stand. Do you know anything about who Barack Obama is, where he came from, what founded his politics, who his friends and mentors were and are? Clearly you’ve read the audacity of denial and not much else.

@Vic

It’s sad that when you hold a political view you are labeled a traitor.

Is that anything like being called “fascist”, “racist”, “dictator”, “and murderer “,” homophobe”? Stuff like that? Those are terms the left regularly use to describe republicans and conservatives, Bush in particular. I suppose that’s “different” though, isn’t it.

“It’s also sad that people believe in talking points that are without merit. ”

That’s a pretty vague and pointless statement unless you’re willing to be more specific about what “talking points” are being made that you think are without merit. At that point it might be good to give some evidence as to why said “talking points” are meritless.

“The terms socialist, leftist, Muslim, traitor and unAmerican have all become en vogue as ways to slander Obama and the Democratic Party.”

Either you’re willing to admit that there are degrees of political beliefs and that the ideas of “left”, “right”, “center”, “moderate” and other such words have some usefulness in describing people on the political spectrum, otherwise you shouldn’t feel hurt or slandered as they are meaningless. If they DO have some meaning though, and they are inaccurate or untrue, then you should be able to easily refute them or be brave enough to admit that they are accurate. The left (Yes Vic, that word does have a political meaning) has made an industry out of name calling and mudslinging. If you don’t believe me, type “Bush” and “Nazi” in your favorite search engine. Alternately, type “F*ck” and “Bush” into it. You’ll receive millions of offers for shirts, hats, blogs, articles, books, papers, balloons, Frisbees, cups, shirts, bowls, gloves, posters and sweaters with those words on them.

“Meanwhile Bush got us to where we are today, a bankrupt treasury, hostility for all Americans around the world, a war that has taken the lives of 4000 Americans as well as hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, lies to cover up personal gain, and a thwarting of our judicial system.”

Everything is Bush’s fault. This is, I think, approaching something on the order of a mental illness for those of you who are suffering from it. This cult of “Blame Bush” is impossible to refute or cure as its adherents are utterly obsessed with their hatred of Bush and so are unable to listen to or imagine anything that doesn’t comport with their mantra. It doesn’t matter that Bush inherited a recession. It doesn’t matter that our economy was devastated by 9/11. It doesn’t matter that the policy of Iraq regime change was a Clinton administration policy. It doesn’t matter that Afghanistan and Iraq are now free and that women can vote, receive an education, children are in school and receiving health care for the first time in decades. It doesn’t matter that, in spite of all of this, our economy has been able to avoid a total collapse. It doesn’t matter that the housing crisis and credit market collapse is ENTIRELY THE FAULT OF FAILED LIBERAL POLICY AND ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATIONS. Nothing matters but “it’s Bush’s fault”. This sort of thumb sucking political philosophy is just indescribable. It often amazes me that you guys are still able to breath after having one of your foaming-frothing-venom-spewing-Bush-lied-people-died-holy-hell-where’s-the-Tylenol episodes. It seems that in one breath George Bush is a tongue-tied moron and in the next breath he is miraculously transformed in some type of evil genius who is holding the world ransom for “one meeeeelion dollars”. Don’t you guys find it tiring or at least somewhat time consuming to be so wound up all the time? Jesus Christ! You guys aren’t traitors or un-American, but you may be mentally ill. Honestly, join us here in the real world and give up this Bush thing guys. You’re scaring the shit out of everybody.

At the very least, have the decency to stop talking about (or implying) that Bush, and by extension the US military, is responsible for the deaths of “hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths”. As much as you’d like such a horrible thing to be true (as it works so well with your Bush derangement), it simply isn’t. Repeating this awful lie may not qualify you for the status of traitor, but it certainly makes you a shameless liar. (You want to discuss the notion or rote recitation of mindless talking points? Listen to the parrot-like skill of democrats discussing Bush, the Iraq war, etc. You’ll get a flawless recital of some of the most ridiculous, baseless, jaw-droppingly stupid, pseudo-intellectual tripe imaginable) Obama and his supporters are fond of taunting McCain by saying that his memory only goes back to the surge and that he doesn’t want to talk about the war before the surge. Liberals and many democrats conveniently forget about Iraq before the war. When tens of thousands of civilians really were being killed by Saddam. They don’t like to remember when there was real torture and rape in Iraq prior to the liberation by the military of the Occident.

And just a thought about talking points: Did you come up with that little list yourself or is it just a catchphrase of the left? How stilted and tired all of those comments are. “…thwarting of our judicial system.” ??? That’s it. We’ve been thwarted here in America.

“So it has become justified somehow to call opposition to these things unAmerican. In a nation founded on religious freedom and separation of church and state, it’s even become a defamation to claim that somebody is Muslim. Where is the justice in this? Are we to start deciding which religions should be protected under our Constitution? What makes us better, if we do this, than Stalin’s Russia, Hitler’s Germany or Hussein’s Iraq? It’s okay not to like Obama. He’s not perfect. But it’s problematic for all of society to throw around the word antiAmerican or traitor. Defamation of character is not an argument; it’s a cheap shot. And that, according to we who have fathers from the WWII generation, is very unAmerican.”

While it isn’t “unAmerican” to oppose certain things (i.e. political speech, laws, etc), it is stupid to shout half-truths and lies at the top of your lungs. Doing that will rightly leave you open to the charge of being a fool. That said, there are things that have happened in the US that are well within the arena of being un-American and they don’t involve George Bush. (Once again Vic, the words traitor, treason, etc DO have useful meanings at times) There are statements and actions by citizens, groups, political parties and news media that jeopardize the security of our military or our nation in general and so might qualify as treason and traitorous. You seem to be very concerned about individual “slanders” but not so concerned with denigrating America as murderous, unjust and comparing it to Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Defamation is something that must be PROVEN and sometimes a label is well-earned! A traitor is in fact a traitor. That may be hard to take but simply living in America doesn’t make you a good person by default.

Palin 2012, I can’t wait for her to clean up the mess Obama and his socialist, code word Progressive; welfare state will create in the US.

The Congress lead by Reid and Pelosi with Obama will run rampant with big government, high taxes, and regulations while taking our rights away one at a time. We can join France in a world of elitist snobs in the good fight against capitalist and freedom while China and Russia win the heart and sole of the world with their Marxist and Lenin need to dominate. America the great is doomed to become mediocre at best. Who can the liberals blame with the republican conservatives out of the way? It will be us the individuals because we did not give enough to support the government mandates of tax and spend. It never ceases to amaze how governent spending is never equated to the fact the money for the endless programs that spin off huge inefficient bureaucracies is taken from those who work to provide the jobs that produce the capital.

Just think of the possibilities, open borders with hordes of illegal aliens to choke our schools, medical facilities, social programs and loss of national identity. An abortion clinic to kill the unborn on every corner, no more executions of the serial killers because life is sacred if you or one of the lucky ones to survive an abortion. Our Gay population will be able to be married by law in our formerly sacred institutions of worship because of a US law that will now control our morality by editing our Holy Bible to fit what our governments considers politically correct.

The next most protected group will be the peace loving Muslims who will be given tax supported Madras schools to teach the words of Allah, “ convert to Islam or die by the sword” with one other alternative to death or conversion being subjugation by paying atribute tax as a safur. Just when we thought the Muslims are finished we find that we or now under the Shari law. Finally our women can be put back in their place and stoned to death as punishment for being raped comes to mind. Or as Ann Coulter said if only they would stop killing us to prove how much they love peace.

But wait, there is more good news. Finally we can appoint those activist Judges who finally impose their will on the ignorant masses who had put their faith in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights that those poor uninformed founding fathers put in place as a noose around the necks of us the truly liberated. We should never be trusted to exercise free will when our government can do it for us so much better.

Finally we can have freedom of speech when Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity, Michael Savage, and Mark Levine with are outlawed in favor of the more enlightened Al Gore.

The days of a country that held language, borders and culture as a meaningful unifying factor can be quickly be disassembled in favor of a true open society to pursue its own self interest as long as it meets with the approval of the politically correct philosophy of our all knowing government. Thank you Mr. Savage for platform of Language, Borders, and Culture, if only we had listened to you..

Wow–I can’t think of a more concise argument in favor of electing Obama than Gary has just put forth. His ignorance is stunning and would be painful and embarrassing were it not so outlandish.

The French are “elitist snobs,” a sure sign Gary has never been to France. But why bother to travel the world and explore other cultures when we can satisfy ourselves with the complacent enjoyment of our immediate surroundings?

“goverment”… “Madras schools”… “Shari law”… I believe you meant “government,” “madrasahs” (or even “madrassas,” not the kind of curry) and “Sharia law.” Clearly not of concern to someone who is so unflinchingly sheltered and unconcerned with facts or reality as you are.

Your thoughts on homosexuals, Muslims, and those who believe the government shouldn’t dictate what women can’t do with their bodies–oh, you love Big ‘Goverment’ here, interestingly enough–expose you for the fool you are: a simple-minded, anachronistic, fearful, and glaringly oblivious sheep who is happy to march in lockstep to the most hateful brand of rhetoric.

Gary is a “fomenter of racism, prejudice and blame” par excellence (how’s that for an American being both French and snobbish, Gary?) and precisely the sort of person the submission was written about. He couldn’t have answered more perfectly, nor indeed, more obnoxiously.

Tuesday evening will be a glorious moment for those of us in this country who still have their critical faculties intact. Luckily for Gary, a better America won’t mean better American airwaves. He’ll have plenty of bad company to share his bigotry with as long as unqualified, sophomoric, and unenlightened voices like Limbaugh’s have a place on the airwaves.

And with that, we close the comments.